On March 10, 2014 I wrote a blog post telling you about my family’s Hogue research group on Facebook, where we were waiting for our cousin Ron Hogue”s DNA results to solve the mystery of the ancestral line of my fifth great-grandfather, Robert Hogg, b. 1724 in Scotland. Well, the RESULTS CAME IN! On March 20,2014, Dwight Hogge, administrator of the Hogg DNA project, posted this for our facebook/research group:
“Good news, the first 12 markers of Ron’s DNA are available. The information on the FTDNA web page is incomplete at this time, indicating that it is hot off the press, but I can tell where Ron’s data fit in. He matches the data in the cluster of Hogg lines that I have always referred to as “Hogg 11 cluster no. 1”. This is a large group of Hogg lines with matching DNA that I have not been able to connect using records. Several (about 6 I think) are here in the USA all with different immigrant ancestors. Some of them, however are not that early. presumably, all of these lines connect in Scotland. One of the lines has the surname Ogg. About a year or two ago, we discovered a number of family lines with DNA matching this cluster but using the surnames Hillhouse and Hillis. I note one interesting point. There is another line descending from a Robert Hogg who was born about the same as your Robert, came to Philadelphia about the same time, but did not die right off. The DNA data is on my “results: page http://hdhdata.org/hoggdna/results.shtml with the “11 cluster no. 1” at the top of the list. This contains the first few successful Hogg DNA matches that I found in the first few months after starting the project. Note that the conventional viewpoint is that Scots with 11 DNA are descendants of the Vikings as compared to Scots with R1b DNA which are presumed to be descendants of ancient British stock, presumably the Picts and the ancient Irish Scots. I don’t think this tells us anything about the Ettrick Shepherd connection. I don’t think it provides evidence for or against the theory.
This table displays all the Y-DNA results, all the tests done, in this Hogg DNA Project. The data are presented in Y-Search order and according to Y-Search calibration standards. Click here to go to the summary page where you can find discussions and analysis of the results of the project.”
Looking at the results page, you can see that there are 19 families listed in the haplo group 11, cluster #1, one of whom is our Robert Hogg, b. 1724. (I have an interesting story to tell you in an upcoming blog post, about that Robert Hogg, b. 1721, in the same 11 haplogroup as us. I am close friends with, and now cousins with one of his descendants! I didn’t know!) Our group’s DNA matches all of these 11-1 folks between 93 -100%! That means, we can research each of these 19 matches and see if we can trace their ancestral line and we should find our own! Besides that, we discover that several Hogg families changed their names legally, because they didn’t like the name and the teasing of being a Hogg. Therefore some descendants who got their DNA taken were surprised they weren’t a Church, a Hillis, a Hillhouse, or even an Ogg, but really a Hogg! Some of these Hoggs are in the USA, some in Scotland–collectively they hold the key to our ancestral roots! If you are a Hogg family member, if you do not see your DNA results, you can leave me a message below and I will do my best, including consulting Dwight, to let you know where your branch of the family fits in the chart.
Getting the results back was thrilling, and frustrating all at the same time–thrilling because we now know a lot more about our Hogue line then we did before, a lot more! Frustrating because it didn’t tell us exactly who the parent’s of Robert Hogg, 1724 were, nor the ancestral line. There was so much information with all new technological language, that there was a steep learning curve! Dwight Hogge was very patient with us however, and took the teacher’s role in leading us through realizing how much wonderful new information we had! He explained that DNA provides the proof for us of family connections. When you look at the results chart, you can see that our family (labeled “desc. of Robert Hogg, b. 1724, Scotland, d. 1747, Chester Co. PA.”) are in the haplo group 11 cluster 1, as Dwight told us. Even though we have had the same difficulty tracing our ancestral line with records as Dwight reports experiencing, the DNA doesn’t give us all the answers either. However, it does give us a lot more clues!
One thing you might have been wondering is –just what is a haplo group? This is how Dwight explained it to us: “A haplotype is one’s individual DNA signature… Haplotypes are classified by haplogroup. A haplogroup is one of the branches in the human family tree describing the evolution of people from the “out of Africa” migration to the present. Each branch in the tree is established by a specific DNA mutation (an SNP) that occurred in one person and was then inherited by all of that persons subsequent descendants. The population of western Europe and Great Britain is about 70% R1b (haplogroup), about 25% 11, and about 1% each in about 5 different relatively rare haplogroups. I am discussing the Y-DNA (male) haplogroup tree. There is a totally separate but similar mitochondrial (female)DNA haplogroup tree.”
I want to thank Ron Hogue again, my fourth cousin, for submitting his DNA so that we could learn so much about our line! In the last post,I showed you my brother’s and my Hogue line descending from Robert Hogg, b. 1724. Today I want to show you Ron’s descendancy chart, so you can see where we differ if you ‘d like, again you can see my chart here. Ron gave me this picture of his Dad and him, and his great-grandfather John Leland Hogue. His Dad is now deceased, yet Ron knows how much his Dad would have loved to learn all this about the family!
Robert Hogg (1724 – 1747)
is your 5th great-grandfather
son of Robert Hogg
son of Robert Fulton Hogue
son of Hugh Hogue
son of Samuel Hogue
son of John Leland Hogue
son of Jesse Eugene Hogue
You are the son of Durwood Leighton Hogue
In case you’re wondering how we are 4th cousins:
Helen Spear Youngblood Holshouser
is your 4th cousin
father of Helen Spear Youngblood
mother of Cecil Hogue Youngblood Sr.
father of Helen Blanche Hogue
father of Robert Fulton Hogue Sr.
father of Hugh Jackson Hogue
son of Hugh Hogue
son of Samuel Hogue
son of John Leland Hogue
son of Jesse Eugene Hogue
You are the son of Durwood Leighton Hogue
I predict that it will not be long now before we have identified our Hogg family line in Scotland. Afterall, we have our research group of cousins working away, one of whom I neglected to mention in the last post, and who was pivotal in raising awareness of our orphaned line! She is the one who brought Ron Hogue into tracing the family line! Her name is Sue Budensiek, from Tennessee, an excellent and experienced researcher. With our Laird Douglas Moncrieff, professional genealogist,working diligently in Scotland, we will surely have our breakthrough soon! I can hardly wait. I truly believe the DNA provides the clues we need to discover our roots!
The Hogg family is one to be proud of. It is full of educators including a President of Hampden Sydney University in Virginia, a founding trustee of UNC Chapel Hill, a governor of Texas, a famous minister, or several like Moses Hogg in Virginia. The list just goes on and on, letting you know they were a smart, resoureful group of people.
I hope you have a great week, and have fun discovering more of your own family history! Helen
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Heart of a Southern Woman 
March 25, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Charles Moore , thanks for coming by, surprised you didn’t say, “I told you so!” Last week you said the DNA might raise many more questions!LOL
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