Oooh…ten gorgeous, smart and talented, aristocratic, Lords, leaping and running…brings to mind the Irish Riverdance group! Or the Bolshoi ballet, or my grandson–so proud of his running and leaping ability! “Did you see me GiGi…did you see how far I can leap!” as he sails over another mud puddle! His folks would be so proud! LOL All these thoughts run through my mind as I prepare to continue my Christmas posts inspired by The Twelve Days of Christmas. But, of course, genealogy is always at the top of my mind these days…and Lords, Lairds…I know we have more than ten in our family tree—and I’d like to share some of their stories with you! I must tell you however, that regardless of the song, Lord is not really an official title of the English peerage! This statement from Wikipedia helps explain: “Lord is used as a generic term to denote members of the peerage. Five ranks of peer exist in the United Kingdom, in descending order these are duke, marquess, earl, viscount, and baron (Wikipedia, “Lord”).” I do not care, I am so happy to present some of the Lords in my family tree to whose stories I am doing the leaping!
- Joy of joy, this past year I met a real live “Lord” or “Laird” with the genuine title! He is Laird Douglas Moncrieff of Glencoe! More importantly, he is one of the nicest, smartest, most talented genealogists I know! Talk about serendipity, or fate, and the life affirming pleasure of doing this genealogical research—he is not a new cousin, but he has become a friend, and a person who has volunteered his expertise to help a group of our family try to trace our Hogue family back through its origins in Scotland! We have a mystery in that line, and it will certainly take great effort it appears, to find the true line, but if anyone can help us find it, Laird of Glencoe, Douglas Moncrieff is our man! There is so much I am learning from Laird Moncrieff, who goes by Douglas by the way, and I am so impressed by him, that I want to tell you more about him in an in-depth post, unless he forbids it after this! LOL Douglas lives in Scotland, is married with two sons and two grandchildren. This first Laird that I have leaped back to is a very special man, so honored to know you Douglas, to call you friend, and I thank you every day for your help!
In chronological order, not the same family line from our family tree:
Bio from “The Peerage”
- Lady Maud Neville d. Oct 143810
- Lady Philippe Neville+ d. bt 8 Jul 1453 – 5 Jan 145810
- Lady Elizabeth Neville 10
- Lady Margaret Neville+ d. bt 4 Mar 1464 – 3 Mar 146510
- Lady Anastasia Neville 10
- Lady Anne de Neville 11
- Lady Alice Neville+ b. c 138410
- John de Neville, Lord Neville+ b. b 1387, d. b 20 May 142012
- Sir Ralph de Neville, 2nd Earl of Westmoreland+ b. c 1392, d. 25 Feb 145810
Children of Sir Ralph de Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland and Lady Joan deBeaufort
- John Neville 13
- Sir Edward Neville, 1st Lord Abergavenny+ d. 18 Oct 14765
- Sir William de Neville, 1st and last Earl of Kent+ d. 9 Jan 1462/635
- George Neville, 1st Lord Latimer+ d. 30 Dec 14695
- Cuthbert de Neville 5
- Thomas de Neville 5
- Henry de Neville 5
- Joan Neville 5
- Lady Anne Neville+ d. 20 Sep 148014
- Lady Katherine Neville+ b. c 1397, d. a 14835
- Lady Eleanor de Neville+ b. c 1397, d. 147214
- Sir Richard de Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury+ b. 1400, d. 31 Dec 146010
- Robert de Neville b. c 1404, d. 8 Jul 1457 or 9 Jul 14575
- Lady Cecily Neville+ b. 3 May 1415, d. 31 May 149513
- [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume XII/2, page 908. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
- [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke’s Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke’s Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 14. Hereinafter cited as Burke’s Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
- [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 544.
- [S125] Richard Glanville-Brown, online , Richard Glanville-Brown (RR 2, Milton, Ontario, Canada), downloaded 17 August 2005.
- [S11] Alison Weir, Britain’s Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 108. Hereinafter cited as Britain’s Royal Family.
- [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 547.
- [S8] Charles Mosley, Burke’s Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, volume 1, page 14, says 1384.
- [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 545.
- [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 546.
- [S8] Charles Mosley, Burke’s Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, volume 1, page 15.
- [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume I, page 152.
- [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume IX, page 504.
- [S8] Charles Mosley, Burke’s Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, volume 1, page 17.
- [S11] Alison Weir, Britain’s Royal Family, page 109.”
3. Lord Thomas Montagu, Knight, and 4th Earl of Salisbury
Your 17th great-grandfather
Birth 1388 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Death 3 Nov 1428 in Orléans, Loiret, Centre, France
“Sir Thomas Montacute and his wife Eleanor Holland (Wrythe Garter Book) Thomas Montacute, 4th Earl of Salisbury, 6th and 3rd Baron Montacute, 5th Baron Monthermer, and Count of Perche, KG (13 June 1388 – 3 November 1428) was an English nobleman. He was one of the most important English commanders during the Hundred Years’ War. He was the eldest son of John Montacute, 3rd Earl of Salisbury and Maud Francis, who was killed while plotting against the King in 1400, and his lands forfeited. Thomas did get back some of his father’s lost lands, and helped his financial position further by marrying Eleanor Holland, a sister and eventual co-heiress of Edmund Holland, 4th Earl of Kent, and daughter of Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent. Thomas was summoned to Parliament as Earl of Salisbury in 1409, although he was not formally invested as earl until 1421. In 1414, he was made a Knight of the Garter. In July 1415, he was one of the seven peers who tried Richard, Earl of Cambridge on charges of conspiring against the King. Montacute then joined Henry V in France, where he fought at the Siege of Harfleur and at the Battle of Agincourt. Montacute fought in various other campaigns in France in the following years. In 1419, he was appointed lieutenant-general of Normandy, and then created Count of Perche, part of Henry V’s policy of creating Norman titles for his noblemen. He spent most of the rest of his life as a soldier in France, leading troops in the various skirmishes and sieges that were central to that part of the Hundred Years’ War. In 1425, he took over the city of Le Mans. On 27 October 1428 he was wounded during the Siege of Orléans, when a cannonball broke a window near to where he stood, and he died a few days later. He married twice, first (as mentioned above) to Eleanor Holland, and second to Alice Chaucer, daughter of Thomas Chaucer and granddaughter of Geoffrey Chaucer. They lived at Bisham Manor in Berkshire. His only legitimate child was a daughter from the first marriage, Alice, who married Richard Neville. Neville succeeded his father-in-law jure uxoris by his wife Alice.”
- Hunt, William (1894). “Thomas de Montacute or Montagu, fourth Earl of Salisbury”. Dictionary of National Biography 38: 208–211.
- the Peerage.com on Thomas Montagu, 4th Earl of Salisbury
- Cawley, Charles, Medieval Lands Project on Thomas de Montagu, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#Thomas Montagu Salisbury died 1428 , retrieved August 2012,[ better source needed]
- Hundred Years War: Thomas Montacute, 4th Earl of Salisbury (1388–1428)
- Royal Berkshire History: Thomas Montacute, Earl of Salisbury (1388–1428)
- (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Your 16th great grandfather
Birth 1390 in Luxembourg
Death 31 Aug 1433 in Rambures, Somme, Picardie, France
“Peter of Luxembourg (1390 – 31 August 1433) was a son of John of Luxembourg, Lord of Beauvoir, and his wife Marguerite of Enghien. His inheritance included the counties of Brienne, Conversano and Saint-Pol.
John was a fourth-generation descendant of Waleran I of Luxembourg, Lord of Ligny, second son of Henry V of Luxembourg and Margaret of Bar. This cadet line of the House of Luxembourg reigned in Ligny-en-Barrois. This made Peter a distant cousin to John of Luxembourg, father of Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor, and Bonne, Duchess of Normandy and Aquitaine.
Peter succeeded his aunt Jeanne of Luxembourg, Countess of Saint-Pol and Ligny, as Count of Saint-Pol in 1430. His younger brother John II of Luxembourg, Count of Ligny, an ally of the English during the Hundred Years War, received Joan of Arc as his prisoner, and subsequently sold her to the English, for 10,000 livres.
On 8 May 1405, Peter married Margaret de Baux (a descendant of the Baron of Lisarea Gilbert d’Escors), daughter of Francesco del Balzo’s third wife Sueva Orsini, a relation of Clarice Orsini (wife of Lorenzo de’ Medici). Peter and Margaret had nine children:
- Louis of Luxembourg, Count of Saint-Pol, de Brienne, de Ligny, and Conversano, Constable of France (1418 – 19 December 1475), married firstly, in 1435, Jeanne de Bar, Countess of Marle and Soissons (1415 – 14 May 1462), by whom he had issue, and from whom descended King Henry IV of France and Mary, Queen of Scots. He married secondly, Marie of Savoy (20 March 1448 – 1475), by whom he had further issue. He was beheaded in Paris in 1475 for treason against King Louis XI.
- Jacquetta of Luxembourg (1415/1416 – 30 May 1472), married firstly in 1433, John, Duke of Bedford, and secondly, in secret, c.1436, Richard Woodville, 1st Earl Rivers, by whom she had sixteen children, including Elizabeth Woodville, Queen consort of King Edward IV of England. Every English monarch after 1509 descended from her.
- Thibaud of Luxembourg, Seigneur de Fiennes, Count of Brienne, Bishop of Le Mans, (died 1 September 1477), married Philippa de Melun, by whom he had issue.
- Jacques of Luxembourg, Seigneur de Richebourg (died 1487), married Isabelle de Roubaix, by whom he had issue.
- Valeran of Luxembourg, died young.
- Jean of Luxembourg, died in Africa.
- Catherine of Luxembourg (died 1492), married Arthur III, Duke of Brittany (24 August 1393 – 26 December 1438).
- Isabelle of Luxembourg, Countess of Guise (died 1472), married in 1443, Charles, Count of Maine (1414–1472), by whom she had a daughter, Louise (1445–1477), who in her own turn married Jacques d’Armagnac, Duke of Nemours, by whom she had six children.
The 14th and 15th centuries were well known for the Black Death, a deadly form of bubonic plague that eventually spread across the known world. Europe was badly hit by the pestilence, as a result of trading with countries with the plague; it soon grew to epidemic proportions, and would kill swiftly, and without discrimination as to gender, age or class. The plague had hit Luxembourg, France, England and Spain in the 1340s when it caused the deaths of millions of people; and it continued to re-appear at intervals over the succeeding centuries. Peter was among its victims. He died at Rambures on 31 August 1433, aged 43 years, and was buried in the abbey at Cercamp, near Frévent. His wife died 36 years later.
- Ancestors of Pierre de Luxembourg
- L’Achaïe féodale: étude sur le moyen âge en Grèce (1205-1456). Diane de Guldencrone , Diane Gabrielle Victoire Marie Clémence Gobineau Guldencrone. Published in 1886 by E. Leroux. Book Collection from the University of Michigan. Free download: http://archive.org/details/lachaefodaletud00guldgoog/
- Libro de los fechos et conquistas del principado de la Morea. 1885. Juan Fernández de Heredia, Alfred Morel -Fatio. Imprimerie Jules -Guillaume Fick.
- The Chronicle of Morea. A History in political verse, relating the establishment of feudalism in Greece by the Franks in the thirteenth century. 1904. John Schmitt, PhD. Methuen & CO. 36 Essex Street, W.C. London.
- Charles Cawley, Medieval Lands, Champagne Nobility, Seigneurs de Ligny, de Roussy, et de La Roche, Comtes de Ligny
- Anselme de Sainte-Marie, Honoré Caille du Fourny, Ange de Sainte-Rosalie, Simplicien (1728), Histoire généalogique et chronologique de la maison royale de France, 3rd ed. Vol. 3, p. 726 (French)”
- -from Wikipedia